diff --git a/core-modules/000QubesVm.py b/core-modules/000QubesVm.py
index 81bb6f10..41c2aed4 100644
--- a/core-modules/000QubesVm.py
+++ b/core-modules/000QubesVm.py
@@ -183,7 +183,6 @@ class QubesVm(object):
                                  self.kernel) if self.kernel is not None \
                         else os.path.join(self.dir_path,
                                           vm_files["kernels_subdir"]) },
-            "_start_guid_first": { "func": lambda x: False },
             }
 
         ### Mark attrs for XML inclusion
@@ -1617,6 +1616,10 @@ class QubesVm(object):
         self.log.debug(
             'start_guid(extra_guid_args={!r}, before_qrexec={!r})'.format(
                 extra_guid_args, before_qrexec))
+        if before_qrexec:
+            # On PV start GUId only after qrexec-daemon
+            return
+
         if verbose:
             print >> sys.stderr, "--> Starting Qubes GUId..."
 
@@ -1767,7 +1770,7 @@ class QubesVm(object):
         if qmemman_present:
             qmemman_client.close()
 
-        extra_guid_args = None
+        extra_guid_args = []
         if preparing_dvm:
             # Run GUI daemon in "invisible" mode, so applications started by
             # prerun script will not disturb the user
@@ -1778,7 +1781,7 @@ class QubesVm(object):
             # mode
             start_guid = False
 
-        if self._start_guid_first and start_guid:
+        if start_guid:
             self.start_guid(verbose=verbose, notify_function=notify_function,
                             before_qrexec=True, extra_guid_args=extra_guid_args)
 
diff --git a/core-modules/01QubesDisposableVm.py b/core-modules/01QubesDisposableVm.py
index 706797bd..6dcbe136 100644
--- a/core-modules/01QubesDisposableVm.py
+++ b/core-modules/01QubesDisposableVm.py
@@ -221,15 +221,15 @@ class QubesDisposableVm(QubesVm):
         if qmemman_present:
             qmemman_client.close()
 
-        if self._start_guid_first and kwargs.get('start_guid', True) and os.path.exists('/var/run/shm.id'):
-            self.start_guid(verbose=verbose,
+        if kwargs.get('start_guid', True) and os.path.exists('/var/run/shm.id'):
+            self.start_guid(verbose=verbose, before_qrexec=True,
                     notify_function=kwargs.get('notify_function', None))
 
         self.start_qrexec_daemon(verbose=verbose,
                 notify_function=kwargs.get('notify_function', None))
         print >>sys.stderr, "time=%s, qrexec done" % (str(time.time()))
 
-        if not self._start_guid_first and kwargs.get('start_guid', True) and os.path.exists('/var/run/shm.id'):
+        if kwargs.get('start_guid', True) and os.path.exists('/var/run/shm.id'):
             self.start_guid(verbose=verbose,
                     notify_function=kwargs.get('notify_function', None))
         print >>sys.stderr, "time=%s, guid done" % (str(time.time()))
diff --git a/core-modules/01QubesHVm.py b/core-modules/01QubesHVm.py
index 0bd88a07..08fd0118 100644
--- a/core-modules/01QubesHVm.py
+++ b/core-modules/01QubesHVm.py
@@ -79,7 +79,6 @@ class QubesHVm(QubesVm):
         attrs['seamless_gui_mode'] = { 'default': False,
                               'attr': '_seamless_gui_mode',
                               'save': lambda: str(self._seamless_gui_mode) }
-        attrs['_start_guid_first']['func'] = lambda x: True
         attrs['services']['default'] = "{'meminfo-writer': False}"
 
         attrs['memory']['default'] = defaults["hvm_memory"]
@@ -97,10 +96,6 @@ class QubesHVm(QubesVm):
             (not 'xml_element' in kwargs or kwargs['xml_element'].get('guiagent_installed') is None):
             self.services['meminfo-writer'] = False
 
-        # Disable qemu GUID if the user installed qubes gui agent
-        if self.guiagent_installed:
-            self._start_guid_first = False
-
         self.storage.volatile_img = None
 
     @property
@@ -409,7 +404,9 @@ class QubesHVm(QubesVm):
             before_qrexec=False, **kwargs):
         # If user force the guiagent, start_guid will mimic a standard QubesVM
         if not before_qrexec and self.guiagent_installed:
-            super(QubesHVm, self).start_guid(verbose, notify_function, extra_guid_args=["-Q"], **kwargs)
+            kwargs['extra_guid_args'] = kwargs.get('extra_guid_args', []) + \
+                                        ['-Q']
+            super(QubesHVm, self).start_guid(verbose, notify_function, **kwargs)
             stubdom_guid_pidfile = '/var/run/qubes/guid-running.%d' % self.stubdom_xid
             if os.path.exists(stubdom_guid_pidfile) and not self.debug:
                 try:
@@ -436,7 +433,7 @@ class QubesHVm(QubesVm):
         else:
             super(QubesHVm, self).start_qrexec_daemon(**kwargs)
 
-            if self._start_guid_first:
+            if self.guiagent_installed:
                 if kwargs.get('verbose'):
                     print >> sys.stderr, "--> Waiting for user '%s' login..." % self.default_user